Ugh, this is why I despise the IDF, Mossad, and the Israeli government... their extremist actions go unchecked because they always play the "holocaust" card and try and look like the victim I have nothing against the people of Israel themselves though, just to clarify
Ah yes, the Israel-Palestine conflict. A war that truely has no good guys, just bad and worse. Who is bad and Worse depend on who you are though. An interesting photo highlighting Israels often heavy handed response to Militant raids. It is good to see some art on Operation Cast Lead, an oft overlooked operation by the Israeli government
The expression you use "heavy handed" to describe the terrorist atrocities comited by Israel that destroyed hospitals, schools, police stations, and killed apro. 1600 civilians in Gaza is just hillarious.
You don't think Hamas it groups like them, who are hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned by the IDF wouldn't use every single advantage they have to win? that is exactly what I would do in their situation. why? Because it would be practical, A destroyed hospital is going to get a lot more coverage than dead Hamas fighters. and lets face it, Hamas could use some positive attention right about now, before the IDF gets tired of them and goes from retalitory bombings right back to military occupation
Deny the holocaust ever occured "This conference bears a clear Zionist goal, aimed at forging history by hiding the truth about the so-called Holocaust, which is an alleged and invented story with no basis. (...) The invention of these grand illusions of an alleged crime that never occurred, ignoring the millions of dead European victims of Nazism during the war, clearly reveals the racist Zionist face, which believes in the superiority of the Jewish race over the rest of the nations. (...) By these methods, the Jews in the world flout scientific methods of research whenever that research contradicts their racist interests" -Mohammed Deif
Where did you get those numbers, from Mars? You mention stuff without point sources?! Those numbers are just ludicrous, your comment will be just fine here and people would have a good laugh, for sure.
Are you waiting that people believe your lying government? Of course thouse numbers are false. Do you expect a terrorist state like Israel tells the truth about its ethnic cleansing?
"Gaza War"? There was no "Gaza war". Even formers IDF souldiers testimonies tell the truth about the situation. There was no war, there was a massacre and other israeli terrorist acts like shooting ambulances, destroying mosks, destroying civilian houses, factories, hospitals and schools. "You feel like an infantile little kid with a magnifying glass looking at ants, burning them," said a former IDF soldier about "Gaza Operation" source: [link]
About the numbers, of course your government lies and keeps lying. Acording to United Nations - 1,133 Israelis (indcluding IDF) and an estimated 5,144 Palestinians (including 952 children) have been killed since September 2000. From UN data, the post-1967 avoidable mortality (excess mortality) in the Occupied Palestinian Territories totals 300,000 and the post-1967 under-5 infant mortality 183,000 (of which 90% has been avoidable) - as compared to 2,178 post-1967 Israeli terrorism deaths (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures). Source: [link]
Moto53Featured By OwnerJun 2, 2011Professional Traditional Artist
First, if you don't want to call it the "Gaza War" so let's call it by the true name "Operation Oferet Yetzuka".
Okay, those could be the numbers. I can see that your all about sources.
I just want to make something clear: The intention to attack Gaza wasn't because of some Bloodthirst for Palestinian blood, or out alleged hatered for humanity, but to liberate Gilad Shalit from Palestinian captivity. This was the only goal. Yes, Palestinian civillians were killed in the Operation, but, sorry to tun away to fault, it's only because of Hamas, that kidnaped Gilad and provoked Israel to attack the Gaza Strip.
Until the Operation, no Palestinian civillians were killed at all. In fact, Palestinian killed Israelis in the past 2 Intifadas.
Please I do not wish to fight anymore. I do agree to a Palestinian state, but only in acceptble borders for both sides (Israel and Palestine), the Palestine will abandon Terrorism and recognise Israel as a Jewish state.
The reasons for blocking Gaza (not allowing medicins, food, their own water, to come in) has to do with one israeli goal: to cause suffering to gaza people and to force their expeling. In fact ISrael State also cause suffering to palestinians from the West Bank but uses other strateggies.
Can you read what you say and just try to be serious? You claim Gilad Shalit was the reason for invading Gaza in "Operation Cast Lead" 2008/09 because he was "kidnaped". That is not the true justification for ISraeli invasion is Gaza, but even if it was the truth justification, you may forget that ISraeli government has hundereds of palestinians kidnaped. On May 15 2011, 20 palestinians were kidnaped in East Jerusalem. So, according to your standard, Israel should have a proporcinal "treatment" that gazians had in 2008/09, and maybe should be killed about 30,000 israelis? But of course you will say, "every civilians kidnaped by Israel are terrorists", right?
Isarel has no legitimacy in claiming international law, because itīs a country that breaks the law on a ongoing basis. I will not quote, like you do, Israeli propaganda sources. What says the International Court of Justice or the UN Charter?
"Gaza Wall is ilegal" (...) "Conquering Palestinan territory by War" "400.000 israeli settlements in Palestinian territory" East Jerusalem, Gaza and West Bank are “occupied Palestinain Territories”
Somebody once compared the Israeli Palestine conflict to a hypothetical scenario where Mexico fired rockets at the United States and Uncle Sam was forced to attack. To make that Accurate, the US would first have to invade large parts of Mexico and attempt to claim that God wanted the US to rule over all of North America and evict the Mexicans.
Hafas Al-Asad killed 20,000 people in one day in Hama.
Saddam Hussein killed 5,000 in one day in Kurdistan.
King Hussein of Jordan killed 25,000 during Black September.
150,000 killed in Lebanese civil war, started by Syrian-supported Palestinians.
Why won't you talk about that?
Demonstrate against HAMAS, BAATH, the Congo war bands, the Ayatollah regime, the North Korean communist party with its gas chambers and death camps, the Jenhaweed who kill 400,000 people in a year... why Israel? 22,000 Israelis were killed by Arabs in the last 60 years? why don't you protest against their murder?
Why must you focus in a tiny state defending itself from hundreds of millions of Arabs and Persians?
This picture is very specific and you never mentioned the massacre commited by Israel towards Gaza? I am speaking about ISrael and you mention other countries? Why? It looks like you just want to deflect criticism towards Israel...
'Never forgive...' - this is spreading hate, yes? And who paints Jewish signs on the shoes? Never seen (it is silly). We know what is this about so you not need to write any information. Just clear picture without any words and signs would be more impressive. But this is only my point of view, you not need to agree.
"Never forgive Never Forget" is not about spreading hate. Itīs a jew expression. The signs on the shoes are simply simbolic, they serve to identify the invador (IDF), the one who commited war crimes and crimes against humanity in territory palestine. No, I do not agree with the opinion of taking words of this image.
foreverrussia1Featured By OwnerJan 3, 2011Hobbyist Writer
Never forgive and never forget. Never forget that your sources are as reliable as those of the so called sheep. Never forgive me for pointing that out to you. If Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran cared anything for the Palestinians, they would not launch, support and sponsor terrorist attacks to provok Israel into war. The plight of the Palestinians is a result of their 'democratically elected' puppets of the US and the Saudis; Hamas.
FOX news, NBC, Sky news, etcs., are only reliable on "planet propaganda". I choose not to live in it, if you live in it that is your choice. If you want to know and learn about facts about the military operation of ISrael in Gaza, you can consult the report made by the american jew and judge Richard Goldstone and you will learn what Israel has done to gaziens. Before Hamas and Hezobollah even exist ISrael commited terrorist acts torwards Palestine. The "Hamas" and "Hezbollah" motifs are just fait-divers sprouted by dominant western governments and mass media and serves to legitimate ilegal military operations, and so people like you can believe in conflicts, different from reality.
foreverrussia1Featured By OwnerJan 3, 2011Hobbyist Writer
Buddy, as I'm saying, we all live in a world of propoganda, it's not a very good insult. You should try 'stupid jew' sometimes my friend, ignorance is strength. I've listened to shit from both sides of the wall. Theres little to believe. All thats happening is that the people of Gaza are being beaten to death, Israel is only reacting to provokations, and the only ones who's fault exists here is the puppets, Hamas & friends, and their puppetmasters.
I didnīt insult jews and I will never do it. You insist that Israel responds to palestinian *provocations*, wich gives them (israel) the legitimacy to break the international court of justice laws and massacre civilians gazians, atack civilian infrastructures, blockade Gaza, continue to build ilegal setlements in pelestinian territory. And ISrael does that before Hamas was elected, so stop using that nonesense argument
foreverrussia1Featured By OwnerJan 3, 2011Hobbyist Writer
Heh, then why the stars of David on the boots? Jews seem pretty evil from your intuitive illustrations. Israel didn't just bomb the place for no reason, and it wasn't JUST Hamas provoking Israel. If the Palestinians do it, why can't Israel fight fire with fire?
Blockade gaza? Yes, of course, Israel lets all humanitarian aid in, but fuck Israel for trying to stop the flow of weapons onto it's territory.
The way I take it, your a fellow communist; what about settling of East Prussia? All the Germans suddenly disappeared and the Russians came in merry caravans? HOW CAN THAT BE? Is this another of comrade Stalin's miracles? What about the settling of the Crimea? And Azerbaijan? What about American settling of Indian lands?
Israel is a tiny strip with 7.6 million people on it. If it occupied the former land of the people who bombed and tried to kill that strip, why shouldn't it be able to settle that land? Russia didn't have a problem doing it, America didn't have a problem doing it, but the evil Jews can't can they? Damn them! Trying to take over our planet, fuck that, Heil Hitler!
I am not a communist, and that is irrelevent to the discussion. Even if Iran and LEbanon gives military aid to Palestine, what about ISrael that get military aid and financial aid from the US, every year? ISrael is a nuclear state that has ilegaly 400 T of nuclear weappons and one of the 5 countries in the world that hasnīt signed the non proliferation of nuclear weapons.
Now, the operation "Cast Lead" in Gaza, what did the IDF said about the Goldstone Report?
Several of the most dramatic instances of war crimes, which previously stirred Israel’s defenders into fits, are now publicly admitted by the IDF in the recent update to its official response (which can be found here).
Some examples of war crimes include:
1. White phosphorous in urban areas: This one is probably the most famous admission that emerged after a series of easily disproved lies. Israel’s initial response was one of absolute denial, indeed indignation, that people would suggest it had used banned chemical weapons in densely populated areas. But the steady stream of photos and videos depicting phosphorous burns on children and buildings eventually forced Israel to admit it had used these prohibited weapons.
2. The murder of two unarmed Palestinians carrying white flags of surrender.
3. The Al-Fakhura Street incident: Israeli mortar fire at a site adjacent to a UN Relief Works Agency compound resulted in multiple civilian deaths.
4. The use of innocent Palestinians as human shields: The Goldstone report explains that in order “to carry out house searches as human shields the Israeli soldiers took off AD/03’s blindfold but he remained handcuffed. He was forced to walk in front of the soldiers and told that, if he saw someone in the house but failed to tell them, he would be killed. He was instructed to search each room in each house cupboard by cupboard. After one house was completed he was taken to another house with a gun pressed against his head and told to carry out the same procedure there. He was punched, slapped and insulted throughout the process.” The new Israeli report identifies this anonymous human shield AD/03 and confirms this episode. Other cases of human shield use, e.g. Abbas Ahmad Ibrahim Halawa and Mahmoud Abd Rabbo al-Ajrami, were also confirmed.
5. Al-Samouni family massacre: The Israelis attacked two houses of the Samouni family, killing 23 people in total. Subsequently, they prevented the Red Cross and PRCS from providing care to the wounded and dying for three days. Confirmed by Israel and the subject of a military investigation.
6. Firing on Al Maqadmah and other mosques during prayer time.
In total, a quick scan through the IDF’s new report provides direct confirmation of more than 20 of Goldstone’s findings. A number of these are the subject of internal IDF investigations, which are infuriating large swaths of the military. Of course, decent people everywhere should hope that those investigations are conducted in the most unbiased and professional manner possible, and that justice is served appropriately to all those who have committed war crimes. I am not holding my breath, but it’s good to throw this wish out there.
Israel admits it did not minimize civilian casualties
The IDF report states: “IDF orders include the obligation to take all feasible precautions in order to minimize the incidental loss of civilian life or property” [emphasis added]. Israelis accept this statement as an article of faith and become unglued at the suggestion that “everything possible” wasn’t done to ensure the safety of innocent people. This expression of faith is often followed by the questions: “What? Do you think Israel wants to kill civilians?” These questions are of course answered far more accurately with data on casualties than with ideological blindness.
They are also answered, however, through inadvertent slips in the public relations machine that shapes international media coverage of Israel/Palestine. Today, we are treated to a spate of articles across the English and Hebrew-language press (e.g. here and here) about how Israel “promises” to do a better job of not killing innocent human beings next time around.
“The IDF has … implemented operational changes in its orders and combat doctrine designed to further minimise civilian casualties and damage to civilian property in the future,” it said.
“In particular, the IDF has adopted important new procedures designed to enhance the protection of civilians in urban warfare, for instance by further emphasising that the protection of civilians is an integral part of an IDF commander’s mission.”
Perhaps in a future “update” the IDF can enlighten the world as to how it was previously taking “all feasible precautions” and yet finds only now new tactics to protect civilians. Perhaps the IDF spokesperson can further explain how emphasizing to its soldiers that “protection of civilians is an integral part” of the mission is considered an “operational change” from earlier practice. One must presume that protection of civilians has not been given sufficient attention until now, and only Goldstone’s courageous and now confirmed report has forced Israel to reconsider the meaning of “all feasible precautions” and “minimize civilian casualties”. As Magnes Zionist has pointed out, Israel seems to think it can get away with a “I didn’t do it but will try harder next time” approach.
Or perhaps the IDF’s commanders and soldiers got a bit confused by all this talk of “protecting civilians” and that talk of the “Dahiya Doctrine.”
But all of this gives the IDF a bit too much credit, too much benefit of the doubt. This new report is nothing more than a desperate tactic to try and avoid criminal prosecution for war crimes and possible crimes against humanity in the ICC. Most of the IDF’s “investigations” have already been dismissed as part of this whitewash, notwithstanding all the irate IDF officers unaccustomed to the pretense of accountability.
All it teaches us is four concrete things: (1) the Goldstone report did a stunningly good job in identifying possible war crimes despite Israel’s concerted non-cooperation with the commission, (2) Israel has by its own admission failed to adequately protect civilians in war, (3) many people owe Judge Goldstone a sincere, begging apology for the disgraceful manner in which he has been treated, and (4) justice for the Palestinian victims of Israeli terrorism is still far away.
foreverrussia1Featured By OwnerJan 3, 2011Hobbyist Writer
Buddy, you didn't answer anything I said. I'm in no doubt that Israel committed crimes in all it's wars, just like all armies and armed forces of all nations. Russian and US soldiers have done no better, the argument goes on not about the war crimes. And I assure you, there is much the palestinians did to provoke this, and many crimes against both Israel and it's own people that the government of Hamas is responsible for.
Once again, Hamas was democratecaly elected in 2006. Israel is not obeying the laws since its non existence in 1917 when Darfour gave established that the jews should go and occupye Palestinian territory. Using "Hamas argument" doesnīt makes any sense. Even if Hamas provoke this, which didnīt happen, should palestinians be quiet while ISrael and IDF continues mass muerdering and hummiliating palestinians? But are my words just opinions and for sure no one should take my words in consideration. Lets see what does it say the UN Charter about Israel crimes? Answer, lots of things, buy maybe one should just identify those crimes before Hamas even show up: Israel Crimes according to UN charter are:
- The West Bank Wall - Conquering Palestinian Terrotory by War - Building 400.000 Settelments in Palestinian Territory - Genocide and crimes against humanity. - East Jerusalem, Gaza and the West Bank are Occupyed Palestinian Territory.